Punching Nazis Totally Works

by DARIEN CAVANAUGH via Defiant

When alt-right poster boy Richard Spencer’s face ended up on the receiving end of the punch memed around the world on Inauguration Day, it raised questions among liberals and leftists about the role of violence in politics.

The debate quickly intensified following reports that an anti-fascist protestor was shot at the University of Washington as Breitbart editor Milo Yiannopoulos gave a speech there on the night of the inauguration. Then on Feb. 1, 2017, violent protests at the University of California Berkley shut down a scheduled appearance by Yiannopoulos.

The recent discussions of political violence, particularly as it relates to punching neo-Nazis, tend to center on ethical concerns and skepticism over whether or not it’s an effective tactic.
I’m not going to attempt to address the ethical question. There are reasonable arguments for both nonviolence and the use of force.

But I will say this — punching Nazis is absolutely an effective tactic. In fact, it’s been proved time and time again to be the most effective means of simply communicating with Nazis.

 

 

Violence between anti-fascist and neo-Nazis is nothing new. It’s been getting more attention since the rise of the alt-right and Pres. Donald Trump’s inauguration, but it’s been going on for decades.

Recent incidents include anti-fascist protest at a white supremacist rally in Sacramento in 2016. Several people were beaten and stabbed at the rally. Likewise, protestors at a November 2016 conference for the National Policy Institute, which Spencer heads, attacked one attendee and harassed several others.

In the 1980s and ’90s, much of the violence between anti-fascists and neo-Nazis occurred in the hardcore and punk music scenes.

I started listening to metal, punk and hardcore when I was 12 years old in 1988. The first show I ever went to was DRI, Sick of It All and Nasty Savage at the Cuban Club in Tampa on March 3, 1990. I was 13 at the time.

That night, there were several hundred people, maybe a thousand, in the enclosed courtyard behind the club where the bands played. Most of the people at the show were metal heads there to see DRI and Nasty Savage, but around 50 neo-Nazi skinheads were also there to see Sick of It All.

Vicious fights broke out almost as soon as the music started.

The skinheads targeted random metal-heads for no reason — just picked one or two of them out of the crowd, isolated them and ganged up on them. Any time one of the metal-heads dropped to the ground, they were immediately swarmed by a bunch of skins who kicked and stomped them.

Eventually several police cars and a few ambulances showed up and things calmed down for the rest of the night.

It was a terrifying introduction to the hardcore/punk scene, especially since I was a scrawny teen with long hair and was probably wearing a sleeveless Sacred Reich shirt. I looked like a metal-head, and Nazi skinheads have no qualms about beating up kids.

 

 

Several months later, my friends and I witnessed a similar situation unfold at a Social Distortion and Gang Green show at Jannus Landing in St. Petersburg, Florida. And in July 1990, six skinheads attacked an old homeless black man who wondered into a Judge show at the Star Club in Ybor City during the Bringing It Down tour.

I had just turned 14. I was still scared of everything. But when some older guys started breaking up the fight and ushering the man out the back door to safety, a couple of friends and I timidly helped them, basically by trying to clumsily stand between the man and the skinheads so they couldn’t get to him.

It was a frightening moment. But I think it also made us realize the skinheads weren’t as tough as we had thought they were. There was something about seeing these guys, who were all in their 20s, 30s and 40s, attacking a helpless old man that stirred something inside of us.

We didn’t start fighting the Nazis right away. For a while, we just helped other people break up fights — again, very timidly. I can’t recall when we quit just breaking up fights and started fighting, but we did.

Early on, most of us were kids. We were 14, 15 and 16 years old, throwing down with guys who were several years older than us. A lot of them were in their late teens or early 20s, but some of them were grown-ass men who had been fighting long enough to be fearless. Those were the truly intimidating ones.

There were rumors that years earlier some of the older skins had severely beaten a man and then killed him by setting him on fire as he lay battered in the street. One of them supposedly had a penchant for biting off people’s ears. There was one nicknamed Bam Bam who was known for dishing out knockout punches.

Several had stabbed people. There were other stories.

In other words, the skinheads we were fighting were often way bigger and stronger and meaner than we were, and we knew what would happen if they ever got us down or caught us alone. But we fought them anyway, and eventually linked up with a couple more of the older hardcore kids and a few SHARPS — Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice — who had been fighting them for years. New kids coming into the scene started joining in, too.

 

 

The scene still was not a safe space for anyone for some time. We knew we could be targeted on any given night if some Nazi skinhead decided he didn’t like the t-shirt one of us was wearing or if one of us looked at somebody the wrong way. People of color, women, members of the LGBT community or basically anyone who appeared vulnerable to the Nazis were at the greatest risk.

“Shows were fucking brutal for me as woman,” recalled Angela Art, who grew up in Tampa. “ I got groped, punched, and kicked all the time. I remember there always being skins at the Stone Lounge. Every damn show they’d be there fucking with people.”

Gerald Williams remembers being targeted by Nazi skinheads because of his race. “The Macabre show, I think, might have been the first show were I actually got fucked with or the first show where I really saw the skinhead presence,” Williams told Defiant.

“There were these five skinheads and one of them kept trying to start a circle pit but he would run into me in particular, five times in all,” Williams continued. “I remember after the third hit, Toby and Charlie ended up standing next to me because they noticed it too. After the fifth time, I remember turning around and he did the Nazi salute and Charlie punched him and we all started fighting.”

On another occasion Charlie got arrested after punching a skinhead in Ybor City and then chasing him down the street. The skinhead ran to a cop on patrol in the area for protection.

This was around 1993. By then we pretty much fought Nazi skinheads on sight. Charlie had seen a Nazi walking down the street, so he ran up and hit him. That’s what you did. It had become reflexive. The Nazis treated us the same way.

It was a bizarre sort of turf war. The skinheads had some loose hierarchy, but we never had any sort of organization or anything like that. We were just friends looking out for each other, and trying to help those in our community to do the same.

Jose and Ian, two Puerto Rican brothers, were the closest thing we had to leaders when it came to fighting Nazis. Those two were always at the front when things went down.

In those unsettling moments when a dozen or so of us would square off with a dozen or so Nazis, it felt a whole lot better if Jose and Ian were there. They were physically and personally unassuming, but they were also two of the best brawlers around.

“Ian never said shit, but man he could clear a room,” an old friend of theirs told me.

There were periods when we fought almost every time we went out, then the violence would ebb for weeks or even months at a time, usually because the skinheads grew tired of getting their asses kicked and stayed home for a while.

We lost sometimes — sometimes badly. In one brawl at the Ritz Theater, when I was around 16, I was beating on a skinhead my age when one of the older ones popped me with a quick one-two sucker-punch combo. One of the punches landed on the left side of my face and immediately clamped my eye shut. I couldn’t open it at all. It felt like the socket was packed with sand.

 

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  • Baelish86

    A retarded article.

  • “The demand for Nazis is much higher than the supply.”
    Gavin McInnes

  • keef

    By the mid/late 80’s in london there was hardly any skinheads coming to punk gigs due to as i heard it-stop going to punk gigs because you are funding communism/anarchists. That order came out of the blood&honour generals mouths and they all obeyed, we had a good 10years at gigs after that.

  • meth angel

    You know the difference? The alt right isn’t the same thing as violent skinheads. You’re no longer advocating violence to stop violent pieces of shit from harassing others at gigs. You’re advocating punching nerdy collage kids for expressing different opinions.

  • Rick

    Total bullshit and exaggeration! I know for a fact this is exaggeration because I was there. Most of this did not happen and what did, is greatly exaggerated. I guess the truth isn’t very exciting.

  • The best way to deal with Nazis is the way American soldiers dealt with German prisoners after the Malmedy Massacre, and after discovering the concentration camps and their victims–they took no prisoners, just shot them all.

  • Check this out you’ll love it! Richard Spencer sucks! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzS0OC-4_f4

  • Absolute truth. At least the quote, not necessarily the article. Florida in the 80s.

  • Nazi==fascist. When you do your homework?

  • And early 2000’s knows it

  • Mike X

    The massive difference between the two situations: “Yes, we used violence, but that violence was already there. We simply redirected it back at the source until the source relented and the violence dissipated.”
    The author put forth a premise and then refuted his own premise in the quote above. In one scenario, we have a group of people stopping violence with violence, in the other scenario we have a group of people stopping words with violence. Different times, different scenarios, no equal or rational comparisons to be drawn.

  • The massive difference between the two situations: “Yes, we used violence, but that violence was already there. We simply redirected it back at the source until the source relented and the violence dissipated.”
    The author put forth the premise and then refuted his own premise in the quote above. Different times, different scenarios, no equal comparisons to be drawn.

  • Fuck your PC bullshit.

  • But only black lives matter right? How is that not racist?

  • unique brands of cowardice duke it out! how stupid.

  • It’s the end of the world. Let’s sit around the comment section and throw digital poop at each other over a CVLT article. Let’s do it.

  • GDD

    so sad that this site is yet another libtard propagandist.. keep on crying libtards.. Trump is the new president, get over it snowflakes..

  • Everyone knows the punching communists works

  • Take this for what it’s worth, but having grown up deep in the trenches of the punk rock and skinhead culture of the ’90s, violence really was not celebrated. It was ever present, but it is counter-productive for a movement. Combating words with violence shows your lack of will. Promoting violence as being acceptable when I am conducting it against those I do not agree with, but otherwise it is unacceptable? Thank you for the lesson on Fascism. Violence is only acceptable when combating violence, and I am fairly well versed in combat. Don’t act like the other side started, or won’t end it, if you keep fighting them in this way. You’re to blame. I’ve seen it on many fronts, both in my personal and professional life. So if you want equality, learn how to reach a mutual ground, or shut the fuck up. Bunch of bitches.

  • Yup! Inkwelle Skyes?

  • Are you guys for real here? This writer is equivocating the violence and threatening presence of skins at shows where they would actually fuck people up, to someone they don’t like, saying words they don’t agree with, and those are 2 different arguments. In the punk and hardcore scenes nazis got checked because they ruined the shows, and created a hostile environment, that often ended in violence, something that is purely vile, and unacceptable. So to defend oneself, a friend, or just a person happening to be enjoying a show is self defense and completely justified, and honorable. Yet beating on someone simply because you’re offended by words, or a outfit, or presence is ignorant at minimum, even worse it is making you now the aggressor, which is just the same as the people you proclaim to not like. Now making this equivocation that these situations are the same in nature is completely wrong morally, and intellectually. This whole write up is a complete misrepresentation of the issue at hand, as they are trying to defend their own fascist leanings, by suppressing free speech through violence, which is supposedly something the author isn’t about.

  • Knowing people that grew up in the climate of the skinheads, and anti groups that followed: none of these groups ever made things better in the scene. They all ended up assaulting people that weren’t even defined as their stated ideological enemies, and further escalated the negative climate pushing uninvolved people out. Furthermore, at least in that climate the stated ideological opponents were violent. In this current case that is simply not the case, and you guys have enacted violence first. You’re giving your ideological opponents fuel by doing so, and dampening the publics critical view of them, putting yourself in the spotlight to be scrutinized.

  • Nazi punks fuck off

  • I’m proposing a new thing

    “Punch a Nazi” DAY should officially be
    April 20 every year.
    I couldn’t think of a more appropriate date

  • Justin Watson

  • You guys keep posting articles like this and you don’t quite get the universal applause that you are hoping for. Nobody likes a bully, especially not a violent, drunk, racist bully but Richard Spencer and his kind are not like that. Not even close. He’s a man looking out for his people’s own interests. There are people like him of every race who do the same, but “oh my god, he’s WHITE”, so to you that means he’s evil and assaulting him is A-OK. I got beaten up when I was a teen by the exact kind of extreme racist skin you describe and now I have people on the Left threatening to do the same because I too would rather look out for my own self-interests. Fuck you. You are the bullies now.

    • hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha aha hhh aaahaha aha hahaha

  • Currently bathing in the tears of all these pacifist nazi sympathizers.

  • Meaghan Glover

  • Michelle Bonadonna told you.

  • Where does one go to become a Nazi in 2017? Does this mean I can run over whiney losers that block traffic, can I now beat up people sniveling in front of grocery stores trying to get me to listen to their predictable crap because I disagree with them? Hypocrisy at its finest here, I’m not a righty but lefties are the real Nazis

  • soft, privileged people, who’s well-being is hardly under threat by the emerging new far right, will never understand this but will always cry against it

  • Fuck Nazis. Fuck antifa. Fuck communists. Fuck SJWs. Fuck fascists.

  • Fucking shit! fucking page! fucking stupid retard leftists.

  • Came here looking for nazi apologists, 10/10 did not disappoint

  • Ask for negative attention, and you will receive it.

  • Thank you for sharing this. A lot of whiny, devils advocate playing secret white pride folks apparently needed a reminder that some of the best metal/punk/etc bands and scenes are multi ethnic, multi cultural and proudly anti Nazi.

  • Liberals are the new fascist

  • Pat DiRe

  • Are you guys fucking stupid? These aren’t skinheads looking for fights (insert Romper Stomper jokes here). As detestable as the shit they say is, they are also nonviolent political activists – violence and legal suppression of their views ultimately make them look good. The old Nazi party came to power by the same means – the far left (communists) would be raising violence and even shooting them while they presented themselves as the party of law and order.

  • If you’re too dumb to use words and too cowardly to get into a real fight, just sucker punch. This is a perfect analogy for liberals.

    • Aww somebody sympathetic to Nazis?

      Go find a safe space snowflake

    • That dude wasn’t a Nazi. This isn’t WWII. What I saw was a coward sneak up and sucker punch an internet troll while he was giving an interview. I don’t understand how you can equate battling actual Nazis in a war with sucker punching a loser unless you are a complete idiot. This isn’t an Indiana Jones movie you fucking moron.

    • anarchist=/=liberal

    • Dudes ideology is not far from the Nazi so it’s fair to lump the scum together. You don’t give platforms to white supremacists you punch them in their smug faces. Not all opinions are worthy of respect or being heard out and the “alt right”(Nazi fucks) fall into that category

      You keep on the Nazi sympathizer path though, I’m sure it will work out for you

    • So, you’re basically arguing that certain people should not have free speech. This is something the actual Nazis agreed with. Are you a Nazi?

  • It certainly did the trick in Weimar Germany.

  • Erin Lynn Caskey

  • “But if you resort to violence, won’t you put yourself on their level?”””

  • Then you have gang warfare when the nazis decide to fight back. This leads to a bad road.

  • The only people who would be sympathetic to a “defenseless” white supremacist after seeing him get punched in the face are people who were already sympathetic to him in the first place.

    A little bit of violence directed at guys like Spencer and Milo works. Just look at their reactions when shit got real. They immediately turned into whiny little babies.

    Talk shit, get hit. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • I certainly am not sympathetic to Spencer and his ethics, and still think this was a dick move by an asshole which has helped NOBODY but SPencer. Spencer can now play the victim card, rightfully so, and use it to sway more people over. Remember Sarkeesian? Remember how well this shit worked for her? Spencer didn’t just disappear because of this, he didn’t just vaporize and leave. This did effectively nothing to him. He still sells his books (ffs, he sells books and talks behind a podium). He still does his talks.

      Naw dawg, naw. Free speech means EVERY speech is free and society is to sort out who to listen to. And if you’re against free speech, fair point, but then call yourself what you are: probably fascist. A dictator. A dirty, little oppressor of those who say the meanie-meanie words you don’t like. Fair enough if you own up to it, but at least own up to it.

      And Milo is a cunt, but he deserves getting literally hit even less. And the violence didn’t turn against him, there were fucking riots because he was supposed to appear. Yeah. I bet the underpaid cleaners who get to clean the shit these assholes left are REALLY thankful that Milo was basically violently hindered to hold a fucking speech. Because it sure as fuck wasn’t these masked fucknuggets who had to clean the mess the morning after.

    • Nobody is going to feel bad for spencer who is not already a Nazi sympathizer

      Let him get his sympathy from that lot because they are trash to begin with

      Milo, Spencer, and their opinions have no place in our society period

    • Jim, Milo’s “free speech” involved him outting a trans woman at a previous college event and, had he gotten to speak at Berkeley, his plan was to out the children of undocumented immigrants at the school. You don’t combat this kind of douchebaggery with a calm, mutual exchange of ideas.

      It’s absolutely true that violence begets more violence but when you look at the end result of what these people want, pwning them in a debate is meaningless. Sometimes direct action is necessary.

    • Well Milo’s going back to Berkley with Alex Jones now, and his book sales skyrocketed to #1 on all of Amazon, so keep it up.

    • Brent Figiel I said “He’s a cunt” for a reason. because he is. MIlo is a fucking piece of shit.

      But, for the love of god, let the german tell you: you can’t eradicate Nazis (or Extremists for that matter) with violence. You might know we had a SLIGHT problem with Nazis, 80 years ago or so? Ever since, being a Nazi has been outright banned in Germany (the legalese is of course more complex, but that’s the jist of it). We havea horrendously violent Antifa here. Guess what? The Nazis are still there. It simply doesn’t work. History has proven that by now.

      You want to “pwn” dem Nazis? Raise your kids right. Influence the next generations away from being Nazis. Teach them right and honest. You want to know what eradicates fascism effectively? Creating an enviroment and society that is too intelligent and enlightened (this word is shit, but it’s what my dictionary gave me) for it. It will take time, it will probably never succeed 100% because lord knows we humans love to fight. But that’s the way to go. Violence won’t solve shit. It’s a very short lived victory you will gain and in the long run you will lose. And the long run is what counts.

      If you punch someone without the need for it, i.e. you are defending yourself as a last resort, you’re a fucking danger to society. And you deserve to be persecuted and punished for that with the force of the law. Same goes for ANY other crime/criminal, of course.

    • In the long term, yes, you’re right. But short term? This election swept white nationalists/supremacists into high positions of power in government. They’re currently re-writing the rules to benefit themselves and keep the poor and people of color out. They’re so inept at governing that they’re picking fights with other counties by accident.

      We simply don’t have the time to wait on the moral high ground while they self-destruct. Be it “peaceful protests” (i.e. letting yourself get clubbed/maced/arrested) or Black Bloc tactics, we need to step up.

      These protests started in part due to the uptick in hate crimes since Trump’s election. We’re already past the point of finding a peaceful solution. We’re going to be fucked regardless of whether we fight back or roll over. No matter what happens, it’s going to get much, much worse before it gets better.

    • It’s not about feeling sympathy for Spencer. I have no sympathy for him. Its about defending base core tenant’s of a civilized society, and freedom of speech. Attempts at dehumanizing any individual to the point of suggesting it’s okay for people within said society to enact violence against them for their words is repulsive, and ultimately is going to set you back. You’re forcing people who you need to be untied with in order to reclaim the political front to be more skeptical of you, and guess what? Many that agree with you politically won’t back this. You’re giving idiots like Trump freaking term two talking points that will WORK for them.

    • I’m not saying that violence should be the first, second or even third option (peaceful protests should always be the starting point) but maintaining the moral high ground only works on an even playing field.

      Trump just signed an executive order giving more power to an already militarized police. Republican controlled states are passing laws against peaceful demonstrations. Right wing southern militias are arming themselves.

      Playing strictly by the rules is pointless when the opposition is stacking the deck in their favor. By the time you decide you had enough, it’s too late.

      I’m not advocating violence so much as pointing out the inevitability and saying that we should be prepared rather than passive. If a Nazi happens to get punched… 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • Man, stuff like this will only help them stack that deck. Look into things like justice Democrats if you want to try and enact change. The woman in charge of the riot in Berkley is openly saying they’ll be doing the same from here on out. We need to put a stop to it before it let’s them put a stop to us entirely.

    • This is why I say it’s inevitable. Leftists aren’t a hive mind. If they get pushed hard enough, they’ll push back.

      Turning Spencer getting socked in the head into a meme is the least offensive thing that’s going to happen in the next four to eight years.

    • I could care less about the memes, it’s become much more than that. it’s the defending of the behavior and avocation of furthering said behavior that needs to be addressed.

  • Bashing antifa scum also works very good.

  • Defending yourself against a violent attack is not the same as violently attacking someone. It’s like saying, shooting a vicious dog that attacked someone means it’s cool and makes sense to shoot all dogs or animals that look like dogs or share certain traits with that one dog you once knew… And as we are being anecdotal; I got beaten up almost every weekend for years when I was a lefty kid. Didn’t change my opinions one bit. Punches don’t equal reasons. You may be able to get someone off your back by but he is very unlikely to be on YOUR side all of a sudden BECAUSE YOU JUST BLOODY PUNCHED HIM!!! I mean what would you do? Seriously!

  • Edmond Spelier

  • Researching deeper on Richard Spencer. He says he splits his time between his home in Montana and Arlington, Virginia. Can you think of any reason why he’d spend so much time in Arlington, Virginia..??
    I can.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_agencies_in_Northern_Virginia

  • ALWAYS PUNCH NAZIS

  • I was never part of a “movement”, as such. However, around 16 or so years back, a few friends and I demolished a group of neo-Nazi fucks at a black metal show. After instigating when they thought it was just one guy, they quickly tried to back down once I joined. Then, when the rest of us got in, and it was actually even – forget it. “I don’t want any trouble”, the biggest of them mumbled with his head down. They wouldn’t leave the venue until some cops were around outside.

  • -Memba when CVLT Nation was a music site?
    -Yeah, I memba

  • Lets punch people we dont agree with…

  • Except most of the people in question ARE NOT Nazis

  • The title of this article suggests you were going to offer legitimate historical context supporting the use of violence to combat Nazis..?? But what it seems you have written here is a personal history about how cool and brave you and your friends were when you were young and hanging out in the hardcore punk scene. Richard Spencer is a far cry from the thuggish skinhead gangs from the 80’s and 90’s. The glaring difference is those skinheads you’re talking about were violent thugs attacking random people. It wasn’t even racially motivated on most accounts; just beating people up along the lines of gang psychology. That bitch ass Richard Spencer is probably a fucking Fed counter intelligence operative out there for the sake of racial and political division initiatives and you bozos are escalating it to violent confrontation, and advocating against the right to free expression. This “punch a nazi” shit is just self righteous justification for violence. That’s exactly what they want. You people are being played like pawns. Violence should be exercised in defense against violence. When skinheads start beating people up for their political beliefs or race, then fight back. But now they can claim you escalated to violence first.

    • I could argue that this whole regimes plan is about subtle violence. Taking away people’s health care and access to family planning, taking away people’s right to convene. When the law is unjust the only place for a just person is in jail. Laws aren’t morality. Even Hitler said that the only thing that had crushed their white nationalist movement in Germany is if they hadn’t been given a voice and had been crushed violently from their first outing.

    • Taking away people’s dependents on government programs is violence? Holy shit. Lol

    • Isaac: behavior intended to hurt someone is the generally recognized definition is it not? When it’s against entire communities it may not be violence in the physical form but it’s still actions that are intending to harm people.

    • Violence is badass

    • The general accepted definition is through physical harm. Intent to do harm is just sadistic not violent. Disabling or not funding government programs that people leech off of isn’t violent, sorry. That makes no sense. Maybe if people didn’t depend on the government like some sort of degenerates, it wouldn’t be a problem in the first place.

      With that being said, I understand some people genuinely do need the help, but, we need a better vetting system. You shouldn’t be complacent enough to want government assistance your whole life. It certainly doesn’t creative incentive.

    • lol edgy white opinionated metal head

    • “10 people benefit but one person exploits it. Shit better scrap the whole social support system.”

  • Make ns great again and kill some antifa

    • NS was never great and I’d be mindful of calling for the killing other people when you don’t look like you can take a punch you fucking dolt.

    • NS has always been great until you, red faggots, started banning us.

  • I am generally supportive of militant anti-fascist tactics, although I do wonder how well stories of small-scale turf wars within fringe music scenes really generalize to the current situation at a national level.

  • There used to be two kinds of Nazis at shows: Nazis and Anti-Nazis. Guess which camp you fell into if you disagreed with the anti-Nazis? Or one of them thought you stole his girlfriend?

    Oh, violence is ok if “we” do it because “reasons.” Fuck you, joiner.

  • The only thing punching a nerd like Spencer ever did was bring more people to his side, because people look at that footage and see an Anti-Fa protester managing to not floor him with a punch out of literally nowhere.

    Quite simply, if actual Nazi’s turned up you’d be shitting yourselves. Richard Spencer is a larping nerd who pretends to be a Nazi, you can get away with punching him, despite the negative effects, because it’s a propaganda victory. Actual Nazi’s, for example. the type that went around Germany after the Cologne rapes were tooled up to shit and beat the crap out of anyone that wasn’t white they could find as ‘revenge’ and no Anti-Fa stopped them from doing it because they shat themselves in fear.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/11/two-pakistanis-and-a-syrian-man-injured-in-attacks-by-gangs-in-cologne

    For reference.

    If you want to bash the fash, stop focusing on unarmed kids listening to a figure who’ll be irrelevant in 4 years and find some gangs actually trying to attack immigrants or something.

    • But if you want to keep punching nerds, go ahead, It just means I’ve got more reasons to post shit like this

      http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/214/285/32d.jpg

    • Actual Nazis are LARPing nerds, they designed the SS castle after King Arthur and thought the Aryan Race were Atlantean/ Thulian descendants. Spencer is a real neo-Nazi, deserved to get punched- here’s one reason why but you’ll probably keep defending them & him: http://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-1.770475

    • I’m studying History, I’m pretty sure by this point I understand the fact that nationalism and Nazism is LARPing nerds pretending they belong to something based entirely on a myth. As for Spencer, saying “maybe punching him out of nowhere is counter productive and we should just mock and laugh at him” is not an endorsement of his statements or views as you obviously seem to think.

      I called Anti-Fa LARPing nerds because that’s what they are, they have temper tantrums in the street, set a few trashcans on fire, smash up Starbucks and pretend like they’re starting a revolution for the proletariat to take over, whilst the proletariat are letting the police beat the living shite out of them and applauding. They’re based on a utopian ideology that details a world free from anyone that isn’t them and they think a Communist revolution is about smashing people’s shops up, stealing peoples stuff and that generally being a nuisance is going to rally the support of the people. It’s a popular culture image of a revolutionary. You don’t overturn a system by smashing up shops or voting for Hillary Clinton as damage control. The damage control is so minuscule anyway that it’s barely worth it.

      You’ll put the Proletariat clapping when they take down primarily Middle Class Anti-Fa Protestors down to the people ‘not being woke enough’ or something or ‘you just don’t get it maaan’. They get it and they’ve had enough of the radical left sabotaging one popular movement after another. Occupy Wall Street earmarked Anti-Fa and Black Bloc tactics as being generally harmful to their cause and UC Berkeley was the latest in a long line of embarassments. Anti-Fa burned down the campus, giving an Orange Pussy Grabber the reason he needs to shut down dissent because someone hurt his fee-fees, and provided Milo an excuse to come back to Berkeley, this time with an angry water-filter salesman who literally thinks that chemicals in the water are turning the frogs gay and believes in chemtrails and a whole host of conspiracies that sound like they’re out of Deus Ex.

      TL;DR the Populist Right are feeding off the violent acts the radical left is perpetrating and the more you smash up shops in your delusions of grandeur, the longer we’re going to have a right-wing authoritarian government in place in English speaking nations.

    • Daniel Chater While I appreciate your civil and articulate response. I think you are conflating different groups with different purposes in the activist scene and buying into media portrayals of them. There’s more going on then smashing up things. Also as a man who grew up with 2 Holocaust survivors who were also Soviet defectors and having a grandfather who was part of the first U.S. Army infantry unit to liberate Buchenwald- they would disagree with you. Nazis didn’t rise because they were railed against early on, it was because many stood by and didn’t take them seriously until it was too late.

  • Alternative title: ‘Disregarding Context Totally Works’.

  • The author is definitely spot on- this was the climate of going to punk/ metal shows in South Florida during the ’90s and this is how you handled those fuckheads if you had a spine.

  • More political shite…stick to music and occult stuff ffs. That’s why most of us follow.

  • Beat them till they can’t speak.

  • Philly had groups the AC Skins and Strikeforce in the late 80’s early 90′. They would mob up and beat up and completely intimidate the scene wherever they were. Eventually Philly got organized and pushed these fuckers out.

    Now these kids are rich kids with armies of memes and twitter egg rape threats. Same mob tactics, same sad ideology, get organized a push these fuckers back.

    https://youtu.be/kPpV2basTgI

  • The problem of accepting fascism as people who vote different is something we already had in Europe and shouldn’t happen ever again.

    • Anything can legally be construed as fascist or hateful, and it sets a dangerous example. Look at the growing far right German party Alternativ für Deutschland – they’re trying to completely ban the Muslim religion the same way Germany banned Nazism, by declaring it an “anti-constitutional” belief.

    • Labelling a thing fascist and it actually being fascist are two different things.

      Here’s an excellent survey of fascism
      http://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/eco_ur-fascism.pdf

    • Umberto Eco’s classification is not the end-all/be-all of fascism, nor is anybody else’s. Even so, forbidding one ideology from expression leaves for no line to be drawn against prohibiting any other form of dissent.

  • Nazi=scum. But don’t just sucker punch someone and run off like a bitch. Stay there and fight the motherfucker. In the old days that was considered “cowardace in the face of the enemy” especially ironic considering the racist got punched in the face.

    • Stay and show your face when you’ve just assaulted someone on live TV? Not that smart.

    • Not that smart is an understatement. I’m all for punching Nazis. Honest but soon people are going think its OK to punch anyone they don’t agree with.

  • Fuck off please, with this propaganda for violence.

    • When you’re calling for genocide violent opposition is an appropriate response.

    • I’m not even gonna debate this nonsense with you.

    • Trust me William, you couldn’t debate your position with any success. Punching Nazis is as American as apple pie.

    • Considering the current state America is in, the choices they make prove my point as it is.

    • Communists get the fist as well? I suppose, as an american, I will.

  • There is a little bit of “I hate this person for being a Nazi” going on and hating someone for being something you don’t like is pretty much the textbook definition of racism. The real irony is when it comes from people who were chanting coombiya shit like “love trumps hate”.

    • You clearly do not understand racism.

    • Joey- Hating a person for something they can’t control like being born a different color is racism and true hatred. Confronting assholes whose endgame is to wipe out people for something they can’t control is not ironic- they choose to be that way. If you’re going to sympathize with Nazis- at least be able to make an accurate comparison.

  • Would it open a can of worms if I were to say not every single person the left deems “a Nazi” is one? This guy seems to fit that profile but I have seen the same Nazi punchers claim a gay Jewish guy who only has sex with black guys to be a Nazi just for having a different political outlook. I am not racist in the least but since I subscribe to more of a libertarian outlook I am almost positive they would call me a Nazi as well. So I say keep punching Nazis. But don’t lump every single person you disagree with in with them.

    • Exactly, too many people are calling everyone a nazi for a different political view. Calling people nazis on the internet achieved nothing because real neo nazis are mobilizing right now due to all this pushback the great spenser punch generated. Ive seen posts on craiglists recruiting white people for their armed militias and other stuff. Punching nazis only works so long until the people you call nazis arent actually nazis and the real nazis got guns.

  • One of life’s great pleasures…..some racist dumb shit get his cunty face flattened…..really it’s just top shelf stuff.

  • they were at shows in the 1980’s in sydney. What got rid of most of them from shows besides people fighting back, were that clubs started using islanders for security. Saw heaps of skinheads get shit punched out of them by the bouncers.

  • The Irony is strong

  • Interesting article
    The only difference I see is that the “fascists” that people are picking to beat up are no longer surly drunken skinheads, but are now nerdy college students that vote differently than your average sjw. They aren’t people that would try to punch you or even lookin for a fight

    • So cowards, then?

    • Cowards wear masks

    • “Nerdy college students” like Josef Mengele..your argument is beyond inept.

    • So what I’m hearing is the new age nazi is a snowflake in need of more safe space? 🤔

    • Smells like an alt-right troll to me….

    • Like Joseph Goebbels – definitely a nerd. Needed a punch in the face.

    • Richard Spencer literally endorses ethnic cleansing.

    • Daniel Borman I’ve seen several interviews with him and never heard him say that. He’s not that different from Louis Farrakhan where he believes different races should stay separated which is retarded. His ideas are stupid. And I think it’s funny that people are bringing up nazis from the 40’s when I mentioned college students. Keep punching people in the face. Keep rioting. You just might actually create the enemy you thought you were fighting in the first place.

    • Well I’ve seen one where he did say that

    • Ok. Post a link

    • That was NOT richard spencer.

    • I’ve seen that before
      He quoted someone else.

    • Also I think it’s incorrect to say the modern “alt-right” aren’t looking for a fight. That piece of shit that tried (unsuccessfully) to speak at uc berkeley was planning on outing immigrant students and inciting violence against them. In my eyes, this bullshit has to be struck down before it even has a slight chance to blossom. You can be a pacifist all you want, but you’ll certainly never convince me to.

    • Colin liddell wrote that article. Not justifying it. I think it’s vile. Richard Spencer definitely contributed to putting the article out there. But you can’t even get a quote right. So yeah, I don’t trust you to know who is and who isn’t a Nazi or racist. There were people in that Berkeley crowd that were democrats that got badly beaten. They were there to protest and antifa beat them up too.

    • I think not

    • You say Richard Spencer doesn’t endorse ethnic cleansing, but that he definitely contributed to putting the article out there?

    • No dumbass. I’m saying he published the article on his shitty website. I’m saying he didn’t say those things, someone else did. He probably agrees with it but he’s never said it publicly. He’s still scum

    • It’s easy for you to say as a white dude that by not giving intolerance a speaking pedestal to share its views that the anti fascists are making them seem more appealing because you are not affected by their greater scheme. Physical numbers, protests, and violence helped us win the 8 hour work day and women and POC the right to vote. You can’t reason with insanity and you can’t tolerate intolerance. I don’t go around punching random people, but if someone comes out verbally espousing violence, terror, deportation or ethnic cleansing against my neighbor or fellow person then that person is getting a fist straight to the temple.

    • Damn Buddy I was just trying to have a conversation with you and you had go jump to ad hominem. Real mature.

    • Also that’s exactly what you said.

    • Look man its really quite simple. Scumbag richard spencer has a website. He published an article by another Scumbag colin Lidell questioning black genocide. A long time later Daniel Borman posts a meme saying spencer wrote the article. He didn’t. That’s all I said

    • The big issue I have with the whole “punching nazis is awesome!” stuff flying around is that it accomplishes nothing and distracts from the actual big issues going on. Richard Spencer got punched… but what has that changed? Nothing. We still have a white supremacist cabinet in the White House, and now random folks (like at Berkeley) are getting hurt for looking like a Nazi (when in reality the dude was a Muslim, how ironic). I have no problem with people sharing memes about Indiana Jones and Wolfenstein 3D for lolz, but don’t get it twisted… that dude getting punched has accomplished nothing of substance beyond making people nostalgic for an era they didn’t live in (WW2), and be careful…that kind of romantic American nostalgia is exactly what Drumpf’s fascist bullshit is all about. Stay smart.

    • What’s changed is Richard Spencer lives in fear.

    • First of all, Farrakhan believed separatism was necessary for the black community because of the racism and violence AGAINST the black community by racists and white supremacists, comparing black nationalists and white nationalists because of things they agree on without understanding the context and differences of each is ignorant as fuck. And Richard Spencer definitely advocated a black genocide as he believes black people have never contributed anything to society. Anyways, A black nationalist advocating separatism because the history of white supremacy on the black community and black countries is not even in the bit same as white nationalists and fascists advocating it because they believe that black people are inferior and whites deserve “their own nations”, don’t be so obtuse for the sake of being a fence walker nazi apologists. Separatism is the only thing the NOI agreed with white supremacists and the KKK on and it was for completely different reasons, one based on history, facts and self defense against racism and the other based on racism by drummed up fear and propaganda. The fact you even tried to compare the two is just ridiculous.

  • Show fascists fascism see how much they like it 👊
    Bash the fash

  • Stupids Fucking SJW

  • My wife is from Tampa, and is always telling me how bad the nazis used to be. I moved there in 2005 and there were still a few around at shows but nothing ever happened.

  • oh please

    • So… you mean: because punk is supposed to be politically incorrect, a punk is not allowed to punch nazis?!? Interesting point of view.

    • faggot

    • Rather be a faggot in the eyes of a nazi than a nazi. Small minded fucks.

    • Zackary Vanwinkle lol.faggot mean faggot.nazi mean nazi.swastica mean punk.thats simple

    • Maybe in your small world.

      Punk means inclusion to me, but I don’t live with my head up my ass.

    • inclusian to what?inclusion to be faggot?

    • That meme is as half-assed as your English.

    • Being a faggot is more punk than being a nazi. Maybe you should try sucking dick, looks like you’d be good at it.

    • Ha! Came swinging out of the gates with faggot? Yawn try a little harder that one.

    • Cro Cu Ta

    • Colin Gardner & so what?iam russian.please stop eat.

    • so you are punks & you love to suck dicks cause thats better than be in ok whit your color?lol

    • fat faggot punks.

    • Dostoevsky is rolling in his grave..

    • Mar Moreno lol he was antisemite.you know nothing

    • You a deeply interesting person with incredibly valid opinions. Please come to Philadelphia so I can discuss them with you.

    • But at least he could form sentences without sounding like a straight fucking caveman, que no?

    • These Russian alt-right Facebook accounts paid by Putin are getting lazy.

    • Bill Farrar ohhh internet warrior

    • Mar Moreno lol.English is not my native language.

    • Colin Gardner putin is a new punk.swastica is a new punk